Sep 4, 2023
Aging bodies are subjected to more and more oxidative damage, and yet our master antioxidant, glutathione, decreases as we age. Today’s guest details what we can do about it.
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If your skin doesn’t know whether to breakout or wrinkle if you’re caught between planning the third grade class party and researching retirement plans or if you want to work out but the idea of CrossFit makes your 40 Something knees a you’ve come to the right place. Welcome to This Unmillennial Life.
I’m your host Regan Jones and welcome to today’s show. So this is an episode that has been in the making for many, many months actually recorded it in the spring of 2022. Thinking that I would release it in early 2023. Things got shifted. And my plan as you know was to continue releasing episodes in the spring of 2023. And last week’s episode detailed how all of that got sidelined. So I am thrilled to be able to release this episode to you today because I think as you listen to today’s guest and this topic of glutathione, which may sound somewhat dry to you as a nutrition related topic, I think you’re going to hear though for those of us who are, you know, increasingly an aging population and are increasingly subjected to all kinds of environmental toxins, sun exposure, various assaults on our body, you’re going to hear about why glutathione as a powerful antioxidant is so important. Okay, so I’m not going to go any more into detail about glutathione itself, but I am going to tell you about today’s guest joining me in today’s episode is Dr. Nayan Patel. He is a sought after pharmacist health expert, and really a key thought leader in this industry. He has published a book that you’ll hear us talk about in the episode, the glutathione, revolution, fight disease, slow aging and increase energy. And it is a result of 11 years of clinical research on glutathione. He’s a highly sought after global authority on the critical role that glutathione and other any oxidants play in the body. And I am honored to have him on the show delightful gentlemen, really appreciate his time. And I’m so glad to finally get this episode out to you as the audience. And with that, I’ll say Dr. Patel, welcome to the show.
Happy to be here. Regan.
It’s great to have you for a particular topic that honestly I had not anticipated covering glutathione is a nutrient. I don’t know nutrients, maybe not the best word you can correct me when you went in just a minute. But it’s something that I’ve known about for a while because I have used it from a supplement standpoint. But when your team got in touch with me, and let me know about the work that you’re doing and educating people on the need for glutathione, I was really excited about it. Because this is a you know, it’s a scientific subject that we want to be able to break down and easy to understand terms for people. And I know that you are on a mission to do that and are able to do that. So you know if you will just kind of open it up for us. I’ve already told my audience a little bit about you. So open it up for us, and just kind of let people understand what glutathione is, you know how it functions in the body?
Absolutely. So glutathione its chemical, it’s a protein. It is the most abundant protein produced in human bodies. And the reason we’re talking about this today and not 100 years ago when it was first discovered, is because for the very first time, we have the ability to make a difference. And even though our body produces on a daily basis, the need for glutathione has far exceeded what a body can produce. And this has to do with all the modern day vices that we have that we cannot get rid of it. So, so in a nutshell, it’s a protein. But it is defined by the function it does. So even though it’s a protein molecule, the function often it can it is the master antioxidant, it can be a massive detoxifier. It’s an enzyme. It can. It can it has, it has different names based on the functions it does in our body. So different names because it does multiple different things. And you said a term there that I’ve heard before in relation to glutathione. I’d love for you to just expand on that a little bit. It’s the master antioxidant. Yes. So the one of the functions of glutathione is to reduce oxidative damage. Well, that’s oxidative stress it I mean, the simple term is, you’re exposed to sunlight every day, and the sun exposure increases our free radicals in your under your skin. And you can see that by your skin getting burned or singling discolored. And it’s a it’s a visual thing that you see every day that supercharged electron molecules in our body needs to be neutralized. And think about it that your body has over 3000 chemical reactions happening every day. And the byproducts of the reaction is also producing reactive oxygen species. And those molecules have to be neutralized by body. And we take things for granted because abide does so so efficiently. But just imagine if it doesn’t do that part. And so glutathione takes electron neutralizes the molecule and keeps the body clean and safe at all times. I think what Dr. Patel just said, For listeners that are paying attention, one of the things that he just mentioned, I think is really important to underscore is this notion of these, you know, 3000 plus reactions that are happening in the body. So just by virtue of being alive, we are, you know, having all of these reactions that are taking place, that can be oxidative, and that oxidative process can be damaging, it’s so funny, because I think sometimes we hear about different ways to reduce oxidative stress or to reduce stress in the body, but we can’t forget that just a part of being alive and the metabolism that goes along, just even in digesting your food, you know, it’s just going to it’s going to produce some of that. So that’s, that was one thing that I wanted to draw out so that people didn’t miss. So you know, when we hear all of that, I guess then sometimes in the the dietitian slash food community will often hear people say, you know, food first. And we can get what we need from foods. So unpack for us a little bit about glutathione in relation to your diet and dietary sources, and your body’s ability or inability to produce it because that I think, is the big key area, that people that may have heard about it as an antioxidant. Maybe they don’t know that full story. You absolutely right. And it’s I’m a pharmacist by trade, but I’m one of the farmers of the other side that doesn’t like medication. So if I can get every single thing from from foods and plant based diet, or whatever diet that you choose to have, I’m all for it. So to produce glutathione, you need three amino acids, which is glutamine, glycine, and cysteine. You need to enzymes and a catalyst like Selenium to produce glutathione. So from your diet, you can get all those amino acids from from your diet, for example, you can get cysteine, which is the most needed in our diet, which is which is kind of hard to get all the time. It comes from whey isolate a whey protein can give you cysteine is one of those molecules, combine that with glutamine and glycine and all of a sudden, you can make in your body can produce glutathione now the body has the ability to produce a lot of glutathione for us. But as I said earlier, as we age, ability sort of decreases as we age, but our needs in fact never decreases. And as we age our our needs are actually increasing.
And so there is a disconnect from what a body can produce from our from the regular diet to to what our body actually needs and it shows up in the aging process.
It can literally dampen the aging process to the point where you
can still enjoy what you do at the age of 25, even though you’re 55
today. And that’s a goal I have for all my clients if possible.
Yeah, that’s a that’s a good goal. And then those of us that are
listening at the 45 plus range, who were thinking, I wish I wish I
had started this earlier. The message still is though it’s not too
late, right? It’s never too late. What would it tell you about the
planting a tree? The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, or
picks best is today? Yeah, that’s such a good analogy. I actually
saw that analogy. I saw that saying this week. So I’ve seen it
before. But you’re right. That’s such a good. That’s such a good
analogy. Okay. So I think that’s a really compelling case for why
supplementation is important. But I’m speaking here completely
without enough knowledge to expand on myself, which is why I’m glad
that I have you on my understanding is it’s not as easy as just
going to, you know, the pharmacy shelf and popping a pill for
glutathione. Is that correct? In terms of a delivery system, like
we think of other supplements as being something you just pop the
pill out of a bottle. But that’s not really the case with
glutathione, is it? It’s not and it is really hard to understand,
because it’s at a chemical structure, it’s a protein. Protein
molecules are not easily digestible by humans, because what what a
body does is when you consume proteins, you’ll break it down into
various amino acids. That’s what we do, right? Everybody eats
protein, the bottom would break it down to a various amino acids.
So if we take a protein like glutathione, in a capsule forms, it
doesn’t matter how you mask and you can mask into just a regular
capsules, or there’s some technologies out there that does make
into liposomal forms of glutathione, which is supposed to protect
it from degradation. But all the technologies that’s out there, the
body will break it down into various amino acids. And then the body
has to take those amino acids and try to make glutathione.
it’s so it doesn’t make sense for us to take a product, the buyer is going to break it down, and then he’s going to use the parts to make it again.
So the so the on the other side, on the medical side, I have been training a lot of physician that have been using Bluetooth and for intravenous therapy. And so that was another option that was available for all these years for the intravenous therapy of glutathione. By glutathione is a such a large molecule that once it gets on what’s it produced intracellularly inside your red blood cells, in basically unfolded cells outside the red blood cells, and they can can never go back in there. So that means if we take an IV or intravenous form of glutathione, it never enters your blood cells, it stays in your blood in the plant, the blood is plasma, which is water base and cell, which is the red blood cells. And it stays in the plasma only. And that was a shocker to the medical community for the first time because Wait a second, I’ve injected this strain to the bloodstream, but it’s not available to the body. And is no it’s not available to the body. And so we have a technology that we developed 13 years ago, that that we’ve been studying for the last 13 years. And we just basically figured all those things out as to how to stabilize fluid outside the human body, how to deliver to the human body and improve your red blood cells. Because the glutathione in the red blood cells is the only way to see the results that you’re going to experience by taking glutathione Okay, so tell us about this technology. Okay? So technology is it’s two parts. If the gluten molecule it smells it has a sulfur odor, because teen has a has a has a group on that one that smells like sulfur. So the first key was for us to protect the sulfur group or the Theil group is what they call them. So it doesn’t get oxidized. So that was that was my first patent. And the second patent was we took the protein molecule and sort of twisted it to to bring down the particle size. So it can it can it can go through your skin into your blood. So it’s a two part technology that we have. And so we use that technology to not just to stabilize the glutathione but also to deliver and if you’re working with the
Physician, you can literally measure your blood cells level within the first hour of applying this glutathione topically on your skin. Okay, so that’s really important because my question was going to be when you said, you know, you apply it to your skin and then it gets in your blood, I thought, well, isn’t the issue though, when you were giving it intravenously that the molecule still didn’t, the glutathione molecule still didn’t get into the red blood, what cell but you’re saying that you all have been able to verify that it did actually get into blood cells, red blood cells, that was a pattern that we received
upon topical applications of glutathione. Interesting, because the liposomal product, I’m be honest, that’s the one I’ve taken. So I’m a little disappointed to hear, like, that’s probably not helped me much.
You’re set, you’re that you’re saying as a delivery system is is not providing benefit. There was a study that in 2010, at Texas University, and they took kids and they were with with spectrum disorder, and they will, they will also include the thigh on. And of course, they measured the liposomal form of glutathione, because the kids at that time didn’t want to take shots.
And so they did a study, and they found out was 100% of the patients do not increase a red blood cells levels of glutathione.
Not even one had increased in there. And the conclusion was that the body breaks down into various amino acids. And amino acids will eventually increase the glutathione level in the body. But not the red blood cells were not been improved with the glutathione levels. So that was the conclusion of the study. But that was like in 2010. Okay, so there’s there’s no benefit. If the asking a question, you’re not stating one. But it’s not stating a fact there’s no benefit. When the glutathione is outside of the red blood cell, it has to be within the red blood cell where everything’s happening for there to be benefit. Is that what you’re saying? So the benefits, though the benefits are there both ends. But if not in the red blood cells, it only stays in the body for about 14 to 15 minutes.
So it doesn’t stay for too long. So even the intravenous push the doctors will give you at the doctor’s offices. It is out of his system in 14 to 15 minutes.
And so I would a crusade Why don’t you educate the physicians as well. And the physicians that have no idea that this this was true, and so they had to find out. And that study was done in 1991. And that was those 30 plus years ago, the study was done. And so but the thing is, we had no other technologies to at least give a chance to increase the glutathione levels correctly. And when we first discovered it, we didn’t right away release the product for sale, we studied for almost 11 to 12 years before we decided, hey, now we have enough information that we will be able to can we can able to tell the patients how to use a product and before able to release the product. I wrote a book on it just to make sure that everybody has this information that I have learned over the last 12 years. First, tell us a little bit about that book, the global revolution. That’s the name of the book. And it’s truly a revelation for me and my family. Because it’s it’s given me a chance to touch everybody’s life by improved not just by improved glutathione levels. But the what I see on the other end, the benefits of what happens when you raise glutathione levels. A book is all about stories that I have heard from my patients over the last five years, a lot of science behind it. And everything that’s in the book is fully referenced. So if as a physician who picks up the book, if this if they if they see a staple in the book, they can very well go to the back of the book and look a reference that where this thing is coming from. I do give a 14 day jumpstart programs. So if somebody is young in the early 30s, they can literally boost glutathione levels by just by diet with within for the first 14 days. If under the age of 40 Plus, unfortunately, diet may not cut it by itself and you might need supplementation.
But again, as I say it’s never too late. My my dad who’s who’s 86 years old today was my patient number one for almost eight years. And if you see him today, he is the envy of all his friend groups because because he still walks three to six miles per day he does gardening he does he does whatever he wants to do. He travels the world by himself. alone, and my password 20 years ago, so he’s single. But he’s he travels the world by himself. And he lives by himself to when he travels abroad. And this independence at this age gives me hope that I can take anybody, any person at any age, and help them feel better. That’s a very encouraging story and happy birthday to your father. That’s, that’s wonderful, wonderful to hear. And I know people listening to this podcast, likely have parents approaching that same age. And you know, of course, very, very encouraging to hear the book, is it available Amazon where you know, every bookstore, tell people how they can get the book. Yeah, the book is available, either print copy, they do have a Kindle or electronic copy. They do have an audio book as well. So they have audible as well. They can pick up at the free read bookstores, we have it on my website as well, if it’s not available, subsidized print copy goes out pretty fast. And so I usually bought it bought a big stock of it. So I can also make sure the consumer has that book available at the print copy. So I do have them on my website as well. But you can get it from Amazon for sure. That’s the common place to get all the books. I have two more questions for you. The first one being and I always like to cover this with any any new supplement or dietary recommendation anything is just to cover if there are any risks associated with I guess, both glutathione supplementation on a general leather level, but then also the delivery system that that you developed. So I mean, that’s a great question, because you want to make sure that in medicine, firstly, do no harm when it comes to glutathione. And in fact, all the price is in that in the product that I make the literal product that I make all the products all the ingredients has actually a grand status by FDA, which is generally regarded as safe when it’s consumed orally. Of course, FDA does not look at it when you’re given topically. So we cannot say that hey, just because the chemical itself has a great set of standards by FDA when consumed orally, that is going to be safe when you take it topically. So even though we don’t have any proven studies that that hey, this is completely safe. We know one thing for fact that the ingredients are absolutely safe to use on anybody. That’s the current FDA of course, but being said that we do notice that glutathione is when we are raising the levels in the human body at a at a at a at a generally good pace, we want to see is is the dose going to be effective. So the reason we took us 12 years recent product because as we were studying to find out what those How much do I actually give you can you just take any amount you want. And the answer is you can take any amount you want but then it will be cost prohibitive. So we went on a crusade to find out and say what’s the most cost effective dose I can give you to see the best benefit. And so we have we found out that four sprays of the glitter which which gives about 100 milligrams was was absolutely enough to to raise anybody’s glutathione levels. And at that pace, we are not see any any concerns at all. Now of course a lot of people are toxic within and if they are if they have a lot of toxicity that we may have to ask them to start at a lower dose a little bit just because if one is too toxic, then they can get this approach either reactions type which is the rash on the body. If that happens, I mean it just the body is is trying to detoxify pretty fast you just have to go start immediately but you know if you’re if your body if you think the body is not super clean, but start low and then slowly gradually go up. Okay wonderful, wonderful information and then the really just clarification about the product was going to be my my my next question.
How do people learn more about this product purchase the product unpack that just a little bit. So right now, the private is only available through my website which is oral wellness.com au R o wellness.com. We will take the same exact technology and we have infused into a skincare line as well because imagine I can give you glutathione in your skincare regimen. All of a sudden, your your your face is never covered and it has the most exposure due to pollution and sunlight, everything else. So we have a skincare website as well, which is our a skincare.com, which is the same technology to create those products too. But I’m more than the wellness side because that’s what I see my most of my items. And then we do have
hundreds of physicians, they do carry them in the office as well. Because we do work with, with the with integrative medicine medicine physicians, but if not, the listeners can go to the website. And just order from there directly. Wonderful. And I will of course, as I do with every episode, be sure to place a link in the show notes to both the orawellness.com site and the ARO skincare website that Dr. Patel mentioned. Dr. Patel, is there anything about glutathione? Or the product, the process anything that I haven’t asked you that you think people need to know, the most common questions that I get asked that the answer needs to be revealed? Is glutathione. First of all, is there an overdose, you asked me about overdose, can I overdose on glutathione, as well as do I take it on daily basis, and so on and so forth. So let me just elaborate more about those kinds of things is, first of all, if the glutathione is increased in your red blood cells, it is generally there for about six to 12 hours maximum. Okay, so take it in twice a day is what we recommend, because it’s in another body all the time. Now, there’s one thing that we do know off of is, is, if it’s so hard for your body to make glutathione, the body is going to have a capacity to recycle the glutathione that has already been oxidized. And so keep in mind, when we say that Vitamin C is an antioxidant, all Vitamin C is doing is is helping the oxidized glutathione revive again. And so and so the body has the ability to recycle glutathione. So whatever you take from external sources, keep in mind, the body will work if it gets oxidized glutathione the body will recycle itself again over time. So if you miss a day, a few days here and there not to sweat, because the body already has a reserve that it will recycle recycling itself. And so that is something that most of the physicians may not know either, is there any advantage benefit, I guess, and supplementation of additional vitamin C, along with a glutathione product. So the glittery product that we produce also has a vitamin C in there. Okay, I’m a pharmacist by trade. So whatever your body needs, if I can put it inside the product, I’m gonna give it to you. Yeah, I hate taking more pills and more medicines
I just don’t like it, it gets to be a lot. I can say that the older that we get and the more that we add to our regimen it can it can get to be a lot. Well, Dr. Patel, this has just been very enlightening. A lot of really good information that I did not know, and I’m sure our listeners did not as well, if you will just recap again for them so that they’ve heard it more than once, where they can learn more about, about the product about glutathione. Just any information that you can point them in the direction for them to learn more. Absolutely. So the best, the best place would be my website, or wellness.com au R o wellness.com. On there, I do have I do have a blogger, right. I tried to on a once a week basis. So please subscribe to that. And I’ll try to get as much information out as possible in a timely manner.
You can get the book, the book has a lot of great information. And it’s a good reference to have it too. And
it’s something that I strongly urge to give to your parents give to somebody who likes to read because gift of health, health is the biggest gift we can ever give to anybody. And I’ve said I have so many friends telling me last Christmas that first time I had tears in my eyes because I was spreading good health amongst my family by giving your book away. So that’s something that I I want to make sure that everybody has the opportunity to to give good health to people. No, I love that sentiment that just really makes a lot of sense to me touches my heart and resonates with me. So I love that the gift of good health. It has been a pleasure interviewing to you today. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for having me. Appreciate that.
Okay, that wraps up my interview. I will as I said Be sure to
place a link in the show notes to not only Dr. Patel’s book, the
glutathione revolution which I have a copy of myself and let me
tell you it covers so many topics that I think if you are
interested in health and wellness and longevity. I think you will
really find this book to be chock full of good information. I’ll
place a link in the show notes to the book. But I will also place a
link to both the website where you can purchase the gluteal
glutathione delivery system. It’s a spray I have it I’ve been using
it honestly i i tell you the honest truth here. I have been using
it since the very day that I did this episode, I immediately
ordered some actually I should say, the first bottle Dr. Patel was
kind enough to give to me to let me try it. And I have been a
consumer a purchaser of it as a customer since then. And that’s
been many, many months ago. So I use it every day, just as he has
directed, it does have a bit of a sulfur smell to it. I don’t know
if you picked up on that in the episode. But he did acknowledge
that the I believe it’s the glutamine
component of literal glutathione has a bit of a sulfur smell to it. So it’s not overwhelming and it’s not anything that’s exceptionally off putting but just know that that is a little bit of what you smell when you use the spray. So I will place a link in the show notes to the spray and then also place a link in the show notes to the skincare glutathione based products that Dr. Patel offers. Okay, I’m gonna take a quick commercial break. But then as always, I will be back for an odds and ends ending of the show.
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Since we’re on the subject of books that are chock full of good information, and given some of the things that I have shared with you over the last year or so about my journey with that being diagnosed with breast cancer, my increasingly openness to talk to you about my Christian faith, I want to tell you about a book that I recently finished that I am highly, highly recommending to you specifically, if you are ever diagnosed with cancer, or any type of major illness that you may go through. If you know someone who is it is a wonderful read that very honestly, I don’t know when I was in active treatment that I was prepared to read because very honestly, especially with chemo, you learn about chemo, chemo brain and it’s very real, like the ability to just sit and focus and really kind of absorb some more difficult complex topics. I just did not find myself in a position to do that. But having that behind me in some ways, I mean, cancer never leaves you as a as a as a topic. Really. I don’t think it leaves you if you’re the family member of a cancer survivor. I am a daughter of a cancer survivor. And I know for my whole adult life, it’s been something that’s on my mind. And then now as a cancer survivor myself, it’s certainly something that I think about. So, you know, I say the treatment portion is behind me but it never really leaves you. But the book that I want to tell you about that I recently completed is by Andy McWhinney, who is the Pastor Emeritus at Irving Bible Church in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And the book is titled notes from the valley, a spiritual travelogue through cancer. It is an amazing read for people of faith. And even people outside the faith. They’re often very heavy weighted questions and concerns that come up about the battle through any type of serious disease. And this book, unlike anything else that I have listened to as a podcast or read this book really touches at the heart of what we know as Christians to be true about some of the struggles, frankly, that we experience on this earth. And I’ll briefly just read to you something that is an excerpt from the entry on Amazon, where I’ll place a link in the show notes, of course to the book, it says in the persona of a travel writer, sending notes back from the desert, Andy recounts his journey through stage four cancer, in which he discovered what King David did in his own Valley, that in suffering, God’s presence isn’t diminished. But magnified, it’s a beautiful read again, I just offer it up to you as we’re talking about different books, things that might be beneficial to read. definitely different than a nutrition focus book like Dr. Patel’s, but one that is a beautiful read nonetheless. Okay, that wraps up today’s episode, a few housekeeping things to mention to you. 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